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The Milky Way viewed from Dorset. A wormhole may exist at the centre of the galaxy - Image: Andrew Whyte / Caters News


Wormhole to another galaxy may exist in Milky Way


A space-time tunnel could exist in the middle of the Milky Way and we could travel through it, say scientists

The Telegraph
By Sarah Knapton
21 January 2015

A giant doorway to another galaxy may exist at the centre of the Milky Way, a study suggests.

Scientists believe that dark matter at the centre of our galaxy could sustain a wormhole that we could travel through.

Wormholes are areas where space and time are being bent so that distant points are now closer together.

Einstein predicted them in his theory of General Relativity but nobody knows how they could be held open so that someone could travel through. Most scientists believe that It is extremely unlikely they could exist naturally in the universe. It would take a huge mass, like a Neutron star, to create a bend in time which could bend space time enough to meet another tunnel on the other side. No natural examples have ever been detected.

But astrophysicists from the International School for Advanced Studies in Trieste, Italy, claim it is mathematically possible for a portal to have been created by dark matter in the middle of the Milky Way.

"If we combine the map of the dark matter in the Milky Way with the most recent Big Bang model to explain the universe and we hypothesise the existence of space-time tunnels, what we get is that our galaxy could really contain one of these tunnels, and that the tunnel could even be the size of the galaxy itself," said Professor Paulo Salucci.

"But there's more. We could even travel through this tunnel, since, based on our calculations, it could be navigable. Just like the one we've all seen in the recent film 'Interstellar"'.

He said the research was surprisingly close to what was depicted in director Christopher Nolan's movie, for which theoretical physicist Kip Thorne provided technical assistance.

"What we tried to do in our study was to solve the very equation that the astrophysicist 'Murph' was working on," said Prof Salucci. "Clearly we did it long before the film came out."


Wormholes bend space-time to allow distant regions to meet


Any wormholes existing in nature have previously been assumed to be microscopic pinpricks in the fabric of space-time.

But the one possibly lying at the centre of the Milky Way would be large enough to swallow up a spaceship and its crew.

Prof Salucci added: "Obviously we're not claiming that our galaxy is definitely a wormhole, but simply that, according to theoretical models, this hypothesis is a possibility."

Other "spiral" galaxies similar to the Milky Way - like its neighbour Andromeda - may also contain wormholes, the scientists believe.


A 30-second clip about wormholes



Theoretically it might be possible to test the idea by comparing the Milky Way with a different type of nearby galaxy, such as one of the irregular Magellanic Clouds.

In their paper, the scientists write:

"Our result is very important because it confirms the possible existence of wormholes in most of the spiral galaxies ..

"Dark matter may supply the fuel for constructing and sustaining a wormhole. Hence, wormholes could be found in nature and our study may encourage scientists to seek observational evidence for wormholes in the galactic halo region."

The theory was published in the journal Annals of Physics.

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  1. This is the new #1, place general comments here

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  2. UNITED States of America - It can now be reported that Greek banks face a serious liquidity crisis as depositors withdrew up to 4.2 billion euros over the last 72 hours.

    Greece will leave the European Union Sunday night, January 25th, meaning that Greece will default on 70 trillion in euro currency in cross-collateralized derivatives tied to JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America and Saudi owned U.S. Citibank, along with the Central Bank of Japan.

    Today the ECB (European Central Bank), the Central Bank of Japan and the U.S. Federal Reserve issued 70 trillion (laugh out loud) of cross-collateralized foreign currency derivatives (there is no real cash or margin) all designed to absorb the shock of the Greece default.

    The central bankers are now playing high stakes-high wire finance; when backed into a corner here comes the 'BAIL-IN'.

    P.S. The alleged ECB stimulus program (another Central Bank ponzi scheme) does not begin until March. There is no mention of the specific European banks that will buy bonds and it is likely that Jens Weidmann, head of the German Bundesbank, will sabotage ECB before we even see March 1st.

    At this hour there is no real cash left in the financial markets. There are just computer algorithms and cross-collateralized derivatives masquerading as assets when they are nothing more that I.O.U.s between crooked banks.

    They call those credit default swaps (CDS).

    In closing, as Ukraine is about to financially collapse aka a default on the IMF (International Monetary Fund), expect the Russian Federation to annex the entire province within days.

    Stay tuned for future intelligence briefings in which we will detail the latest U.S. coup d' etat in Yemen, which was nothing more than an obstruction of justice effort to protect the Saudi financed-Israeli Mossad operated Yemen government that was headquarters for the Pegasus Unit crisis actor terrorists.

    http://www.tomheneghanbriefings.com/

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  3. Vlastimil,

    Why spam the site over and over again, propounding the same thing. It gets tiresome and is like a black cloud hanging over the comment section. Many are turned off and don't comment because of it. We are an open forum to debate, not a soap box for preaching the destruction of the USA is the only answer. You alienate many people who know the issues at hand and want to be involved with change and also give their perspective.

    Times ARE changing and we are very optimistic for the future. We do, however, warn of certain consequences that may happen if change is slowed. It is hard to claim the site is optimistic when it is constantly spammed with negative posts that offer no solution at all except the destruction of the USA that NOBODY here wants, but YOU.

    I will ask you one FINAL time, tone it down and limit your posts or I will have no choice but to delete all comments. I do not have the time to sift through all comments so I will delete en mass.

    Please heed this final warning as, prior to a year ago, you were a great contributor, and like everyone, I believe you have value and something to contribute. I have been hoping this was just external forces effecting your judgement and that you would 'snap' out of it. I can see that was a bad judgement call on my part and it has now came to this point.

    It is now up to you how this plays out.


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    1. I sent you email canauzzie and I post it also here ....

      ;;;;;;;
      Hi canauzzie,

      It is actually not entirely that way as see it. For long time I believed that system in US can be changed, I hoped that last option would be US army (I hoped that there are some real men of honor) taking over DC and just then they would say to world what happened and world would forgive and accept them back .... then I believed for long time that probably US militia must initiate this step and US army would join them .....and then other and other ....

      I believed that we can go together towards future - -

      How many sings were there last let say 3-5 years indicating that we are heading this direction that anything is in direction of change?

      Till this very day from all sides there is only one song being sung by USA.

      I am saying that they will learn humility today only if they are treated the way as they treat others ..... this is only way their eyes will be open.

      Hope vanishes --- so is mine

      ;;;;;;
      Now in case that we had reverse situation and Soviet Union would not collapsed and managed to empty US dollar aka Wanta tricks or whatever and Americans would have to face 10times down USD and at the same time it would open gates for total national robbery by Russia, and in case that Soviet Union would do like last three decades what US is doing till this very day .. in case that Soviet Union would keep lying and doing all to start a global war etc -----

      How many of you would then keep saying - we must do all possible to sustain and support Soviet Union as it is because there are good patriots and they are big global partners. I would like to see the rhetoric ......Russians learnt hard way and they learnt it well. (not talking about zio-oligarchs.

      ;;;;;;
      Anyhow, I will not be destroying what you are building here - not at all. This is my promise I will restrain myself and do as asked.


      Thank you for cooperation and good spirit....

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    2. Not willing to defend or help Russia in reversed scenario is BS.

      We have constantly taken the position that all sanctions against Russia are illegal and immoral. What more do you expect. Furthermore we have applauded Putin's efforts to increase trade and cooperation with other nations.

      Russia also has its own problems with Oligarchs. Not one country does not have dirty hands in the mess we have. NOT ONE.

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  4. Maybe you could build a spaceship with some of that project money?

    I would be up for that ride!

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    1. JV
      I would love to visit outer space and be able to see our world from that perspective...I am very interested.
      This would be cool, and we can do some experiments and prove or disprove some of the theories that we have depended on all our lives. This would bring some sanity to this madness.

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    2. I agree. I would like to know if the earth is indeed flat or round, if we have ever really been to the moon and what is really on mars, or are we just being lied to and fooled constantly like some say. The truth and nothing but the truth, so help us all.

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  5. John,

    Is Bushwhacker still getting 10% on the dinar if it goes?

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    1. The Cabal will get part of their own ill gotten gains converted. Even for a Pig like that its enough.

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  6. John,

    Too funny..." Once proven a lot of husbands will volunteer to go and bolt."





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  7. Thousands Rally for Greek anti-austerity party promising to end “humiliation”

    "What have five years of sacrifice got us? In a word: Nothing," Tsipras wrote in an article on Thursday, AP reported. "All we got is despair: 1.3 million unemployed, 3 million without health insurance, and pensioners who cannot afford to buy medicine."

    http://rt.com/news/225459-syriza-rally-election-austerity/

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  8. George Soros retires again - and no hedging

    The 84-year-old who broke the Bank of England says he is giving up investing - and that this time he really means it.
    January 23, 2015

    Hedge-fund pioneer Soros - probably the most influential and widely-respected individual investor this side of Warren Buffet - is apparently standing down for good.

    Soros stopped managing clients money in 2011 and told guests at a dinner he hosted at Davos last night that he was now handing over handling his family funds to chief investment officer Scott Bessent.

    ‘I have retired many times before but this time it’s final,’ he is reported to have said. ‘I am devoting all my energies to what I call my political philanthropy and the two activities are not compatible.’ So despite having previously quit almost as many times as Status Quo, it looks like he might actually mean it now.

    Soros founded his prototype hedge fund with Jim Rodgers back in 1973, but didn’t become famous until he made £1bn betting against the Bank of England on Black Wednesday in 1993. He concluded that the UK had entered the putative European Exchange Rate Mechanism with sterling pegged at too high a rate, and he was right - despite spending £2bn propping up the pound, and interest rate that rose briefly to 12%, John Major’s government rapidly conceded defeat.

    It was a drubbing from which a generation of the nation’s politicians took one key message - that a European currency union was bad news for the UK. So in the light of the Euro’s subsequent travails Soros may have deserved his billion pound payday for inoculating so many of our leaders against the idea.

    It was a situation similar to the one played out last week when the Swiss National Bank dropped the Euro cap on the Swiss Franc. In other words, exactly the kind of event which Soros looks out for: things which are unexpected but that in hindsight look obvious.

    Talking of the Euro, we can’t help thinking he’s picked a tricky time to retire. With Eurozone QE just about to start and the Greek elections threatening to spark a whole heap more uncertainty, there must be many more fortunes just waiting to be made in the currency markets this year. Still, even a retired man needs a hobby - perhaps he’ll find time to take on a few more hapless central banks in the evening and at weekends…

    http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/go/home/article/1330686/davos-2-george-soros-retires-again-no-hedging/

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    1. OMG! This is news! Whaaaaat...I can't believe it. Something good this way comes!!!!

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    2. http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/01/22/2612

      Ukraine - IMF Admits Failure, Scraps Plan A, Goes for Plan B.....
      IMF now admits original aid plan has failed. Has been forced to get behind the more generous Soros Plan. Question is can it work without Russia
      ___________________________________________________________________

      Soros knows this will not work this is why he is retiring? Get out before the damage is further done.

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  9. The premis of the article gave me giggles as I was reminded of 1950's-esque rocketships to venus. The purported existence of the wormhole rests on the action of dark matter, which itself was concocted to explain something else astrophysicists see but don't understand: the strange rotation of the galaxy.

    We all know that the further out a planet is from its star the longer it takes to make an orbit, because pluto has many many times more distance to cover than say earth. You'd expect the same with stars orbiting a galactic centre, but they saw something very strange: stars at the galaxy periphery take the same time to complete an orbit as stars closer in. In other words they must be moving phenomenally fast. It would be akin to pluto only taking 1 year to orbit our sun instead of 248 years.

    They surmised that the galaxy was more like a vinyl LP with stars stuck on, and then went on to hunt for what it was that the stars were stuck to. They imagined Dark Matter, that is meant to exist as a huge cloud that encompasses our whole galaxy, and as it rotates, takes our galaxy and stars with it.

    Bit it has never been found or proven. I have always preferred to think of it in terms of forces. The future of physics is the discovery of multi dimensional forces, ones that act in non-linear ways. Our galactic neighbours use these to travel hundreds and thousands of lightyears easily. In other words, our scientists are still thinking in terms of linear 3D, when the 'impossible physics' and the visitation by et craft point to a multidimensional structure of spacetime yet to be discovered by earthlings. But it HAS been discovered: quantum entanglement. How can two photons separated by huge distances change in concert with each other instantly faster than light? Extra dimensional physics!

    John, this connects with the universal consciousness you speak of. It has another name: Intelligent Design. By our own statistics, it is virtually impossible for our universe and world and life to collect and form by chance. A bias is clearly evident that scientists cannot yet bring themselves to acknowledge. Arrogance can appear in science as well and I believe we are seeing it in this article. They pretend their model is correct. Richard Dawkins for example makes TV shows painting spiritual people as delusional; he can't see it and so it can't be real.

    Once we have true disclosure of the prssence of our galactic neighbours on and around earth, people will ask ' how did they get here?'. They will answer 'multidimensional physics. It is the secret to infinite energy.'

    At that point, watch as dark matter is brushed aside as a well meaning, but comically childlike, attempt to understand what we saw as we looked out into the cosmos.

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    1. Ajnaandy

      Once you have made that Dimensional switch, and returned, all is changed forever. To know you are part of all, helps it all fit and the key knowledge is that of being one, but part of all, and part of the total one. All being, all knowing, all encompassing. Existence is infinite. Either we all exist, or nothing can. Random Galactic chaos would negate life on earth as possible. Human Carbon life forms and the incredible beauty of nature around us. Emotion is esoteric. Feeling, is an ethereal intelligent energy, but has bypassed the Bush /.Clinton Zionist Cabal it seems.
      The incredible complexity of entire new Galaxies even being created today, empathises only with intelligent creative design. Logistically, nothing makes sense if not, but make the switch, and all is simply one of a total sense of being one modular life form of all being. You will see. When you see how the higher ascended life forms deal with those who transferred with genetic abnormalities it is humbling yet inspiring.The beings of light and their transforming Souls impaired with their laying on of hands , seeing whole new physical beings changing and emerging. Suddenly it all fits. It is beyond intelligent life, it is whole hierarchies of all. Once having made such a transformation, knowledge is total and an all embracing consciousness becomes embedded.But knowing is personal. Knowing is total.

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    2. It puts things into perspective doesn't it John? It is lonely to think in these terms, as only 2 or so of my friends and family think this way. I can't deny it, so I play act in the community as a normal human who only thinks of surface crap. I personally seem to align with the Pleiadeans and enjoy their coaching. Another, Kryon, talks of the field of consciousness that emits from our multidimensional DNA, how we can interact two-way with our DNA using our consciousness, and effect healing - I have played with that a few times. Adopting this worldview is the only thing that has given meaning to an otherwise pedestrian life. I feel it in my waters that as the cabal are sidelined, more will come. Rather, as more and more light is pumped into our earth system, the crime cabal simply stop being effective, as humanity ascends. Thanks for your thoughts. Have you made the connection to my name ajna andy? Ajna is the Sanskrit name for the third eye. Cobalt blue. Seeing into reality.

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  10. Federal Agencies Stonewall House Committee’s Benghazi Investigation

    Chairman Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., listens as ranking member Elijah Cummings, D-Md., speaks during the House Select Committee on the Events Surrounding the 2012 Terrorist Attack in Benghazi hearing on "Implementation of the Accountability Review Board Recommendations" on Wednesday, Sept. 17, 2014. (Photo: Bill Clark/CQ Roll Call)
    Some federal agencies continue to stonewall when it comes to the ongoing investigation into the Benghazi terrorist attacks, according to insiders familiar with the process. They say the House Benghazi Select Committee isn’t getting access to all relevant documents and witnesses.
    That will be the topic of the committee’s first public hearing of 2015 called for Tuesday next week.
    Most of the committee’s work since a (slightly) bipartisan vote created it May 8, 2014, has quietly focused on the massive task of gathering information. The committee has provided relevant federal agencies a list of several dozen witnesses it wishes to interview.

    The House resolution creating the committee authorized it to investigate all aspects of what happened in Benghazi, as well as looking at how to improve executive branch cooperation with congressional oversight. Tuesday’s hearing is part of the effort to obtain a complete record of the events before, during and after the attacks, on a timely basis.
    The committee’s goal is to strike a balance between information and witnesses withheld for legitimate reasons of national or individual security—and the possibility that those reasons may be improperly invoked to prevent the release of information embarrassing or damaging to the Obama administration or former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

    http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2015/01/federal-agencies-stonewall-house.html

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  11. Mortgage borrowers win at Supreme Court

    Published: Jan 13, 2015 5:36 p.m. ET

    Home loan borrowers need only send a letter to their bank to rescind a contract when disclosure violations are at issue .........
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/mortgage-holders-win-at-supreme-court-2015-01-13

    The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that Countrywide Home Loans erred when it required a couple to go to court to rescind a mortgage they said was inadequately disclosed under the Truth-in-Lending Act.
    The U.S. Supreme Court handed a win to mortgage borrowers when they unanimously ruled a lender erred when it insisted that borrowers who opted to back out of a mortgage because of disclosure errors by the bank had to go to court to do so.
    Instead, the Court said a mere letter to the bank was sufficient notice under the Truth in Lending Act so long as it was within the three-year window the Act allows.

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    1. Fedup, that's awsome! ) Thank you for sharing more good news today.

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  12. Highly significant, a 5 storey apartment block 3D printed in 1 day, at a cost of $160k, from recycled materials. This is the kind of project I'd like to see more of.

    "WinSun’s 3D-printed five-story apartment building took just one day to print, and then five additional days to assemble, with low construction waste and minimal laborers needed. The mansion, which was 3D printed inside and out, also saved on construction and labor, costing around $161,000 to build in its entirety.

    Read more: 12,000 square foot 3D-printed mansion pops up in China | Inhabitat - Sustainable Design Innovation, Eco Architecture, Green Building"

    http://inhabitat.com/12000-square-foot-3d-printed-mansion-pops-up-in-china/

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    1. How can the astronomical costs of conventional housing be supported into the near future with this kind of tech? House prices to drop over time, leaving mortgage holders with negative equity. What are the implications for people's investment plans?

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    2. My son tells me they can even make pharmaceuticals, guns, cars(...) with these printers!! It boggles the imagination. Thanks for posting. ~darylluke.

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    3. DL I would wager my dong that we don't even know the half of what this tech can do. I recall NASA emailing the astronauts on the ISS a wrench the other week. Cool!!

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    4. 3D printers review. This resin one has so much potential, and boggles the imagination of what can be built. Initial investment for that one is $3300!! Ouch!

      http://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-3d-printers,review-2236.html

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    5. http://www.reddit.com/r/3dprinter/

      http://endlessforms.com/

      http://3dprintingindustry.com/

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    6. 3D Printer Builds Homes From Mud In Impoverished Areas

      October 16, 2014 | by Lisa Winter

      http://www.iflscience.com/technology/3d-printer-uses-mud-natural-fibers-make-homes-impoverished-areas

      -and-

      Pictures of things built!!

      http://thechive.com/2014/11/11/its-amazing-what-you-can-make-with-a-3d-printer-these-days-27-photos/

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    7. Thank you for sharing Anja Andy and DL. Really like that idea of being able to email something that can be used like a wrench. Makes you wonder what other useful items can be created. Will be happy to see an open source for the engineering on the many items all can use wherever they are.

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    8. How cool would it be to have a scanner that could scan what was needed for 3D printing. It wouldn't just look at something in 3D, but also be able to create a recipe for the material (chemical composition) used and its tensile strengths. That data could be shared in open source. Realize they have something like for medical purposes already.

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    9. With this technology, I would build me a car that actually runs off of water and air! If we can print anything we want then why do we need retailers? This technology has been hidden from us until now. One these printers are mass produced, this will engineer a new industrial revolution! I can't wait.
      ________________________________________________________________________
      New Car Runs on Air and Water! Bye Bye Gasoline!
      http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/01/new-car-runs-on-air-and-water-bye-bye-gasoline-3096838.html

      This technology was created by an Israeli company

      Amazing technology from an Israeli company has created a new type of battery using aluminum, water and air that recharges the normal lithium ion thus giving this electric car a 1,000 mile range! This type of technology has been hidden from us for a long time. Be sure to also watch the second video also and you’ll hear from Gordon Duff of VeteransToday how we’ve had free energy and antigravity technology since 1945!
      (See more at site)

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    1. My yahoo, gmail, ebay, paypal & brokerage accounts were all hacked yesterday within a 3 hour period as I slept.ISP was out of Portland, OR. Some VILE & EVIL people out there to attack an indigent person like that.I has some very strong passwords.I have regained control over all the accounts, but I feel like now I know what a woman that was raped feels like.These people have no souls and do not deserve to walk free. ~darylluke.

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  14. Jim Willie: Swiss De-peg Triggers Massive Derivative Crisis, Potential END OF THE EURO!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHanymw3mW8 (53min)

    It begins in less than 24 hours. Greece is leaving the EU, and will trigger a default simultaneously. The market action of the EUR/USD was just the beginning and a solid indicator for the direction of the euro currency next week. From what I saw it went from about .1.45 down to about 1.12 this week. The pump and dump fake mini-rallies were just crazy, and I am sure thousands of zionists made millions if not billions of dollars on forex this past week on the carnage. As an example, if I has just $1000 to fund my account I would easily have made 50X just trading safely using options. Those bastards (zionists) leverage their accounts and they use unfunded margin accounts!! Next week will be epic in comparison, yet it will be nothing compared to whats is in store after next week. The shyte is about to hit the fan. Not conjecture, it is happenning and it has already begun.

    ~darylluke.

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    1. In the wake of the Swiss National Bank shocking the market this week de-pegging the CHF from the Euro, the Golden Jackass Jim Willie joined us over the weekend for an Exclusive Interview discussing:

      Willie explains why the Swiss are dumping the Euro in favor of GOLD, and that multi-hundred billion trading losses will result in MASSIVE DERIVATIVE LOSSES & CONTAGION!
      Swiss actions have brought a HUGE ACCELERATION of end game events-We're looking at the potential END of the EURO!
      Swiss have front run the Global Currency Reset & GOLD REVALUATION!
      $2 TRILLION IN SUB-PRIME OIL BONDS ARE ABOUT TO EXPLODE! Contagion will be bigger than sub-prime housing crash!
      Dollar Death-Spike: Fed has LOST CONTROL of the dollar!
      Coming European bank failures will result in a STAMPEDE INTO GOLD!
      2015 Will be a repeat of Lehman- Several Western banks will go down, This is GAME OVER!
      When Putin flips his switch, the DOLLAR IS DEAD, and Gold Will DOUBLE! GREXIT will blow up the EU!

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    2. THIS is exactly what JOHN here has been warning us all about for over a year.

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    3. MINUTE 16:00 talks specifically about GLOBAL CURRENCY RESET and mentions VND/IQD.

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    4. MINUTE 35:00 "Russia has 20,000 tonnes of GOLD under the Kremlin in the vaults!!"

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  15. http://www.oneworldofnations.com/2015/01/humor-how-did-they-get-there.html NOT funny. But, it's OUTRAGIOUS and very sad, in the end..... ~darylluke.

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  16. http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2015/jan/23/davos-2015-day-three-live

    Francois Hollande and John Kerry address Davos 2015 - live
    French president says business must help fight extremists, and backs Europe’s new quantitative easing package.

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  17. Darryluke

    Buy Norton and take on Trusteer free. They will block hacking and key logging. 99.999% of your problems gone.
    This is the price of you keying into so many porno sites unproected. Lol.

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  18. Hi canauzzie,

    One detail added.

    As I saw today. Not a word of opposition from anyone after John says that Bush clan will get 10% of blood money. Mass murder will get paid for murdering and destruction. Not even one stood up to say - I disagree, it is outrageous.

    Because they wait they might get a lick also - I understand, but at least somebody could say something. It shows a lot.

    Now, once John says, cash and run. All forget fast about patriotic feelings, they have bags packed probably. And that's OK still with me. What I do not understand and disagree with the following one.

    Why on Earth after pumping money into the system and sustaining by whatever means would John say, run? This means he knows that the system that will be supported will turn even worse then today? Why on Earth would we do then this? It would create only more mess and even more danger at international scale.

    Cabal will get they cash and will feel even more invincible, because no one will dare to take the system down - too big to fail.

    How do negotiations work? I give you an example from 1938. Czech was those days 4th most powerful economy in Europe. Czech had treaty with UK and France of mutual support. Then Hitler comes, gives them falls evidence, threatens them and they happily in negotiations withdrew from any treaty they had with Czechs and gave Hitler green light assuring him that they will not even raise a voice if he goes to Czech.Hitler needed our industry. And he went summer August 1938 ..... problem is that he did not stop there, did he.

    What is being sacrificed now we are not being told. But probably I would not agree on that one - because HISTORY SPEAKS LOUD. At least to me.

    You can think of me that I am idiot and seeking vengeance. Well I call it seeking justice. But it is probably only ME.

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    1. No one said anything in opposition because no one is surprised.

      You have no idea the plans laid out post a PPs settlement. NO IDEA!

      Do you have any idea how much work and negotiations were done to get this far? And you pass it off as a loss.

      We are dealing with an imperfect world and you are asking for perfection. It is simply not possible.

      Think of a game of chess. Sacrifices will always be made to win the game. Some sacrifices are simply just worth it.

      Sounds to me like you are not seeking vengeance or justice, your heart is just filling with hate.

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    2. Canauzzie

      This 'hate' judgment - you stepped little too far.

      Chess game is good analogy. I pointed to history when 'acceptable sacrifice in 1938 by France and UK was made and those who made that felt probably good - it did not last too long.

      Regarding Russians - I did not talk about Russian Federation. I spoke about Soviet Union if it preserved to these days ...

      ;;;;;;;
      Reason why I kept doing what I did, is to pinpoint and challenge and provide my views.

      But this dialogue leads nowhere. It is better to be Yes Man. Problem is that nobody is a master of universe and 1.1 T gift to US FED year ago proved that to be this way. I would be first shouting not a dime unless under clear conditions that must be first implemented...

      You have it under the control - good for us and for you. We do not see it, maybe not yet, we just hear about it.

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    3. Secondly

      I did not get real answer to this:
      John said few times - cash and run away? Why on Earth would we support the system when we know that it will turn even worse from what is now so that we must advice people to run away for life? Explain this to me?

      Then when I say, do not support it. Crash if first. Then I am not too popular - but this is only sane conclusion. Best to help people to have it crashed and then restore - what is wrong about my logic. You did not provide an answer to this.

      Secondly, you want to use Wanta money. I said, according to what he says - the money is robbery money of which many suffered and many died. Make Wanta go first to Moscow and make to have it fix with Putin first - it might mean that some % must be given back but it would create new platform for new relationship ....I said exactly that, and few times....

      What is wrong with my view?????

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      You want to be fair - that's good. I am just challenging - are we really fair?

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    4. With the Soviet analogy, I wanted to say this. In case Soviet Union was preserved till this days and US played today's role of Russian Federation ...., that means that Soviets would invade Iraq under false reasons - Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, instead of Ukraine in our case Mexico and hoarded troops at the Southern boarder - kept holding back PP's - broke any treaty they made about WGS release - of course before that 'aka Wanta tricks crashed USD' -- in case all these nasty things that USA has been doing to the world (I mean cabal - but then we would have to say that it is not Soviet Union but cabal as well, right..) then I would like to see all initiative that tries to sustain USA regime today doing the same to old Soviet Union...and beside I would like to hear comments of our American friends .....

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      This is what I am saying!!! Being fair - OK, this is my challenge, are we really?

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      I did not indicate anything about that you give very good attention to Russian Federation stand today for global equality - you do it great and credit for that. But this was not the point.

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    5. Vlastimil,
      I must comment here... When I first came to the site you were a gentle bear. I remember the story of you and your children going into the forest and you thinking of how beautiful nature was and the forest being free to what is bad in the world. You were sensitive to life and what is good about life. I have watched over the past year as you have done just as canauzzie has so delicately tried to point out... (well it is hard to be delicate and pointed at the same time) but you have become increasingly cantankerous and filled with anger.

      What I would hold up to you is the possibility that you are playing right into the ptb's hands... Basically, your role is to say,"the sky is falling, the sky is falling"... now the ptb are in a position to and can provide the solution... which will be exactly what you believe is best and that is to crash the system. "This will be the best for all" they will say.

      You should study the Hegelian Dialectic and you will see the role you are playing. I provide for you the following.
      "The Hegelian dialectic is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision. When we remain locked into dialectical thinking, we cannot see out of the box." http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm

      Please understand I don't know all the nuances to the HG but I recognize a player when I see one... and you, my friend, are their "poster boy" for crashing the system. Which I strongly believe is where we are heading. Know I say this with respect to you and what you have brought to the blog in the past. You have much to provide the world. But it is hard to listen with the anger so strong...

      Hey Canauzzie... finally was able to post... your directions help. What have you done with the real John? You must have cloned him and added sugar to is UK self cause he is being uber sweet of late...

      hi ya... John ;)

      Valdi... hope you are well? owe you an email I am sure. still collecting my England trip bucket list.

      ~GetReal

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    6. I think "cash and run" is an analogy for get in and out quickly.

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  19. Vlastimil,
    I can almost guarantee that no one here wants cabal to get refinanced - I sure don't. And if that happens I can't stop it. So why talk about it. However if money frees up for everyone at the same time maybe then that money that does not fall into cabal hands can be used to stop them. It can be used to fund honest people into congress and the presidency. Hell with enough money I might run myself. So my approach is to focus on what I can do, not on things I have no power to do (stop bush from cashing out). And hopefully john and the other white hats have a plan to stop the cabal. As tony at WHA likes to say that is above my pay grade. So I try to relax and trust God and my fellow light workers and enjoy the ride as best I can.

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    1. I did not say you agree. I said no disagreement -two different things.

      Why did I put that account from late summer of 1938? France and UK betrayed Czech and had hope also that NAZI will turn only Eastward - whatever happened in between - I guess some zion-minggle. They wanted to appease Hitler and be good friends in good negotiations. I believe they felt very good after that negotiations in Munich, that good feeling did not last too long ....

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      What NATO does without any shame last 2 years on Russian boarder while they negotiate and assure public that NATO wants good relationship with Russia. Today WhiteRussia claimed that NATO is building up armies at WhiteRussia boarders - Yesterday NATO said that they want to renew good relationship with Russia....

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      You give them a dive in good hope and faith - and they turn it right away against you. The same NAZI clan like in 1938 - even worse.

      For today I finish with posts

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    2. Vlastimil,

      Why don't you create a blog of your own.

      You could focus it specifically on your favorite topics.

      I thought of a few names

      1.) STOP NATO?
      2.) KILL THE BLOODY ZIONIST PIGS
      3.) WHERE ARE THE DAMN BLACK BOXES
      4.) NAZIS IN OUR MIDST
      5.) NATO SUCKS!
      6.) GET THE HELL OUT OF UKRAINE

      Anyway, I think you see where I'm going with this. Then you can put your spin on it anyway you want.

      Become the change you wish to seek.

      Speak out against the atrocities and things you want to change.

      Have a monthly rally.

      Get radical!







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    3. Hey JV,
      I would submit that some do not have the courage to start their own blog as deep inside, usually unconsciously, they do not want to find out definitively that no one else is really interested in their viewpoint. At least in using a place where others have created a broadminded place of informative sharing and interest they can try and maintain the illusion that others are interested in their narrow viewpoint. It is somewhat parasitical and even when others, with good manors, say they are not interested in such a negative viewpoint, they cannot hear; it does not register.

      Just my 2 cents worth.
      Paul

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    4. HI Paul; there could be some truth to what you are saying since we live within polarities...there is always two sides to a coin...negative and positive. In some instances both polarities needs to be present in order to determine a comprehensive outcome. All that matters is LOVE...and some need more than others. All subject matter is up for debate; some feel strong about convictions while others feel less about any subject matter...and it's ok...

      But to divide and conquer is what TPTW require to conquer us; and in this thinning of the herd there is much to conquer. So to keep everyone who have some semblance of sanity and forward thinking in one place; for me, it is safe to say that we are all one and some of us don't see things as individually viewed. And it is ok...we are the ones that don't have group- think and decided not to become a victim of mind control and want to see a better world for the future of our generations.

      So why break up a group of independent thinkers because we are so ego driven that we cannot see the forest for the trees. How can anyone become so insensitive as to not understand that some take it with a grain of salt and others have a more driven stance to get answers; some that most of us do not have...at the moment.

      So for those who are in service to self, rather than service to others; so ego driven you feel compelled to become so sensitive to be alienated...by a thought/subject of debate? The human mind and consciousness is a tender box that needs some reasoning to this madness that we find ourselves faced with each day. For some it's a hard pill to swallow, for others; it's just another day in this construct knowing that the means does not justify the end, but we understand that it doesn't matter because where we go they will not be there to further their demonic agenda.

      Be kind, some of us need it...no one knows what a person had to go through physically or mentally to be here there must be a need for some clarity and sanity in this madness. None of us are perfect...we strive for perfection and in this the illusion is created for control of the masses.

      “Come now, let us reason together, says the LORD: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool." Love is all there is! We are all One!

      Random acts of kindness are in order in this most crucial time in humanity...Our task is to come into compliance with Universal Law and not only voice it, but practice it within some of the most trying subjects facing our society today...be they positive or negative, it's all from within...

      I remain...

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    5. Thank you for the thoughtful comments Fedup. i will endeavor to become more kind. Tis never been one of my strong suits. :-); my own razors edge so to speak. :-)

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    6. No problem...we have learned to build up resistance to this never ending battle of the "sheeple vs. tptw." I do understand the human condition and this is a learning curve for us all...

      All is love...

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  20. Re 3D Printers

    A massive new surge demand is coming for new built to order Todgers once its perfected.

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    1. John i heard about these 3d printers. Might be a good investment

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    2. Careful, I can hear Cal L Girl getting really excited now.

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  21. Sorry John, not Cal L girl, but you Brits have way with your slang. LOL ! )

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    1. P
      Its too big to miss a shot at the extra L for a send up.
      We Brits are very fair and Democratic. We take the P out of everyone equally.,

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  22. More potential cooperation...

    Sputnik: Russia and DPRK May Develop $20-30 Billion Power Grid Project / Sputnik International
    Posted on January 24, 2015 by Jean

    http://sputniknews.com/asia/20150124/1017291523.html

    MOSCOW, January 24 (Sputnik) — North Korea and Russia are reportedly in talks regarding a vast project aimed at modernizing the former’s power grid, at a cost of an estimated $20-30 billion US, South Korean newspaper Chosun Ilbo reports.

    “North Korea and Russia are discussing the issue of modernizing and rebuilding a wide network of electricity transmission lines in North Korea. The scope of the project is an estimated $20-30 billion US,” an unnamed Chinese source said to be informed on North Korean affairs told the newspaper.

    The source also explained that in exchange, “Russia will receive access to rare earth metals in North Korea.” The price for the metals would be calculated on the basis of international prices.

    According to Chosun Ilbo, North Korea is also looking to obtain excess power supply from generating stations in the the Russian Far East. At present, North Korea faces a massive deficit in power supplies and generating capacity, with its aging transmission infrastructure compounding the problem and resulting in the loss of up to 60-70 percent of the capacity that does exist, Rossiyaskaya Gazeta has explained.

    The Chinese source noted that the potential infrastructure project could be structured along the same lines as the large-scale railway infrastructure modernization projects that are presently being carried out between the two countries.

    Chosun Ilbo notes that North Korea has sent specialists to Russia for talks on the supply and distribution of electricity supplies following last October’s trip to the Amur Region by Re Su-Yong, the North Korea’s Foreign Minister.

    Last year, Russia and North Korea held joint talks on improving economic and trade cooperation along a wide number of trajectories, including the use of North Korean workers on development projects in Russia’s Far East, and the possibility of Russian companies’ participating in the Kaesong Special Economic Zone.

    Rossiyskaya Gazeta notes that information about the possible electricity power grid infrastructure project, together with anticipation about Kim Jong-un’s possible visit to Moscow for the upcoming Victory Day celebrations in May, has led to a growth in the share prices of South Korean companies which may also participate in the project. North Korea watchers believe that Kim’s visit may lead to the signing of several large-scale cooperation projects, including the construction of a gas pipeline, power lines, and more railway projects on the Korean Peninsula.

    https://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2015/01/24/sputnik-russia-and-dprk-may-develop-20-30-billion-power-grid-project-sputnik-international/

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  23. Much good news on RT today

    RT: S&P slapped with $77mn fine for misleading investors
    http://rt.com/business/224899-standard-poors-fined-banned/

    Published time: January 21, 2015 21:04
    Edited time: January 22, 2015 15:39

    Reuters/Brendan McDermid

    The ratings agency Standard & Poor’s will have to pay over $77 million and is to be barred for one year from grading certain bond deals for loosening its rating criteria in order to win business. Investors had not been informed of these changes.

    This comes after a settlement with US federal and state regulators over “fraudulent misconduct” and is the first time that the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) has ever fined one of the big three credit-raters, since it won authority from Congress in 2006 to look after the sector, Reuters reported.

    The SEC says that S&P will have to pay $58 million to settle three matters with the agency, while they will have to fork out another $19 million to settle cases with the attorneys general of New York and Massachusetts.

    “Investors rely on credit rating agencies like Standard & Poor’s to play it straight when rating complex securities,” said Andrew Ceresney, the SEC’s enforcement director.

    “But Standard & Poor’s elevated its own financial interests above investors by loosening its rating criteria to obtain business and then obscuring these changes from investors,” he added, according to Reuters.

    S&P released a statement saying that it is pleased to have concluded these matters and “takes compliance with regulatory obligations very seriously.”

    Most of the allegations against the ratings company stem from problems that arose in 2011 over its ratings of certain commercial mortgage-backed securities.

    READ MORE: S&P reported to pay $1bn in settlements to US government
    http://rt.com/business/222255-standard-and-poors-court/

    Meanwhile S&P is still negotiating with the US Justice Department over a claim filed against the rating agency in 2013 for passing off junk securities as high-level assets ahead of the 2008 financial crisis.

    The agency may have to pay compensation of up to $1 billion, Bloomberg reported on January 13.

    The companies that received S&P’s high ratings issued unprecedented amounts of low-grade mortgages sold to investors as securities. Many of them turned out to be worthless despite their high investment-grade ratings.

    The amount claimed against the agency was initially $5 billion. Now the Justice Department and several dozen prosecutors have reduced the sum to $1 billion.

    READ MORE: Russian Central Bank voids Standard & Poor’s, Moody’s, Fitch ratings
    http://rt.com/business/224067-russia-central-bank-ratings-agencies/

    The Central Bank of Russia announced on Monday it will no longer use credit ratings from Standard & Poor’s, Fitch, or Moody’s that were assigned after March 1, 2014.

    All credit ratings given to Russian companies and banks will now be at the discretion of the Board of Directors of the Bank, according to a press statement.

    The regulator will assess whether or not the ratings made after March are accurate.

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